economist, fox news contributor. thanks for joining us. >> pleasure. >> kick off with you, steve, on this new irs revelation and what darrell issa is trying to do. do you think koskinen is going to bite? >> i don't know, but i will say this. there's no good resolution for the white house of this controversy right now. i mean, when it comes to the documents that were destroyed, either there was kind of complete incompetencies at the irs or a kind of willful obstruction of justice. and neither of those outcomes is very favorable to the white house. and put this also in the context, maria, of the fact that the irs plays a big, big role in the obamacare oversight. the ones who are supposed to verify the incomes of people, make sure that people are eligible. i think a lot of americans are scratching their heads and saying, wait a minute, is this the agency that should be overlooking our health care records? >> what do you think, tony? >> look, the fact that the big critique of this irs targeting