winding up? >> no. what is the irony. >> the life opposing the government regime, wanting to throw down the government. >> we live in the actual world even things we're critical of, should i not make a living? i'm asking you? >> it's fine. you know? your wife got a job teaching law, or teaching at northwestern >> successfully. >> it's amazing and they must be offering classes in what you can learn from future clients are you surprised you got those job offers? you and she? >> she was on the fbi 10-most wanted list >> i know. >> so was angela davis and a lot of great people have been on that list but the great thing, the thing is that i got my doctorate at 43 years old i interviewed at several universities. best offer was university of illinois. i took it. we moved to chicago. we had three kids