which i think universities should be interested in. because you have done something to somebody that we are aligned with or that we are philosophically or politically or ideologically aligned with. it's completely inexcusable. i actually don't etch know how they could come up with any kind of explanation of how this would comport with the university. >> mostly through their foundation, but the clintons have given this university $415,000 over the years. so is there a conflict of interest for this dean of the library in this action? >> well, of course. and let's just remember, this is the old world versus the new world. this is the ancient world versus the new world. and the ancient world is represented by people who are deeply connected inside the state of arkansas to the former governor and former first lady, the former attorney general of that state that have their library there and still have even -- whether or not she could win in the state when she runs, i don't know. but certainly they have a lot of