destruction, they can't call themselves objective journalists can they? they do. listen to that interview from cnn to a times public editor. >> the loudet criticism we hear about new york time its has a liberal bias. does it? >> it is san urban paper, a new york city paper, that is a reasonable criticism. >> that is a yes? >> a modified, yes with a lot of nuance in it. john: please, not much nuance. listen to fired editor of times said in response to that question. she won't come on this show but she allowed actress marlow thomas to ask her about conservatives calling the times excessively liberal. >> i think that the news pages are not yell idealogical.