it was a shyster's ploy. it was an awful idea -- >> not very start. >> why not a military base in the united states? why not a maximum security federal prison? and after 1 years, they've -- 12 years, it seems to me the taliban and the haqqani gangsters -- who i know very well -- have done quite effectively in terms of pursuit of their war without these five and the others in guantanamo. these people have all been incarcerated since before the major push in afghanistan -- >> so you're saying what's happened with bergdahl does not change your mind one bit about releasing prisoners from gitmo? that doesn't change your mind? >> what do you know that a i don't know? >> that's just the problem, we don't know enough yet. >> we know he's an american g.i., and he's got to be brought home. >> shouldn't we stop releasing prisoners until we find out more? >> you know, one of the things as i've been in combat so often with these guys in every branch of the service, one of the things they take great security