for profit hospitals. >> you know, why because wealthy people got in first, that's why. ask yourself in these hospitals how many poor people get treated the same people who got high level insurance, the insurance companies ripped off everybody in the beginning? why are you apologizing for the insurance companies? >> let's fix the v.a., bob. why don't you attack the v.a. -- >> you can keep the v.a. and why not do charter hospitals as well, the same we do it for schools. >> i don't have a problem with that idea. i don't have a problem with the idea of -- >> why are they doing vouchers? >> it is obscene and disgraceful. >> it's not the insurance companies. it's the doctors. >> it's the insurance companies