systems won't work. he doesn't understand the model. this is what he believes in, the single payer system is the system for the progress sieves. >> if you put the veterans administration patients into the private health care system, the estimates of the costs over the currently buthd amount for veterans will be up to half a trillion dollars. now, if we want to pay that, if we want to turn it all over to what you consider to be an effective system, which i think country to be -- consider to be a lousy system, if you want to turn that over -- >> we spend money on funding surveys on alcoholism with prostitutes and turtle tunnels and all this crazy stuff in washington, d.c. you are saying it's too expensive to give these veterans a voucher to they can go to private hospitals and get the care that they deserve because this system is failing? >> you are putting -- first of all, i think there's nothing