warming up and putting it on their, batting gloves or hands to hold on to the bat better. that is allowed, isn't it, ken. >> well, not really. jenna: so everyone is cheating? >> here is the deal with pine tar, jenna. everyone uses it. the whole point is, don't use it so blatantly. what the red sox said after the first time was, listen, we get it. our guys use it too. it is something pitchers use to get a grip. jenna: that is cleared weird, ken. >> it is weird but accepted practice in the game and don't put it on your face. jenna: why not make illegal and tell people they want wear isn't. >> that is good question. actually there is a use for it. there is a use for it to get better grip on the ball in cold temperatures. what he did was equivalent of driving 80 in 65 mile-an-hour speed limit zone and getting stop and driving 100. jenna: we're basically all given a little leeway. >> exactly. jenna: speed zone, right. you get, like 60 miles an hour, you usually get to 65, maybe 70. >> right. jenna: you push, 75, 80, you will get pushed over.