does that bother you? is that troubling for a christian pastor to say or agree with? >> no question, sean. it's troubling. i wish the president could come under some good sound biblical teaching. that's what he needs. the president is a nice man, and i know, sean, that if you met him, you can't help but like the man. he's a gracious, gentle person. >> you may be pushing it. through patience possess your soul. that's a lot of patience you're asking for. i bet i would like him personally, but i think his policies are literally bringing america into decline. there is no other way to say it. he's hurting the country. his policies -- >> sean, i would agree with you. our trouble is -- our nation is in trouble. sean, listen, it's not president obama who got us into this position. it's the republicans and the democrats over many, many years of spending money from the future. they are borrowing from our children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren. we're at a point now where this has to stop. i don't know if the president understands that, but we've got to make a change, sean, if this country is going to survive and be a force in the future. >> i agree. i think his policies have hurt a