also want it to be transparent and is it going to include capital gains? a lot of the people that are skeptical of the flat tax say it ends up that very wealthy people dodge the flat tax because they make their money off of investments. so would it include capital gains? that would be an interesting question. >> well, you're an expert in tax policy? could we get rid of the loopholes even if we could get conservatives and progressives on board, could we do it? >> yeah, i think you could do it. the question is, by the way, this president sees the path between the rain drops and never gets touched by anything. it has been simplified beyond all understanding. so the question is, i think it's important. we have career politicians. charlie i think has been around since the nixon administration. >> a long type. >> and he's on the committee. the problem is, if you do a flat tax, they could layer on a value added tax which to d.c. is like giving the keys for a drunk to a