and choose not to cover. >> there's also the islamist view, anyone who was an islamist and turned as someone who is worse than the infidel. the apposite is worse than someone who turned. president obama, he went to -- he's a christian. i'm not sure that president obama coming out and bashing is i -- radical islamists. they want to kill the people who turned on islam more than they want to kill people who were never islamist to begin with and it will never stop until we're all ruled by muslims. >> maybe some people are too afraid. let's go back to pope francis. probably the most serious christian leader -- he's got a lot of exposure, and yet, i asked him to look into what he said about the persecution about christians.