the interest on the debt. and it goes up to 876 billion in 2024. we're back with the panel. george, what about tax day this year and where we are headed? >> well, first of all the interest payments are abnormally low. when as surely it must the cost of government borrowing goes back to the post war norm of 5.5% as essentially zero interest rates now. that will double and quintuple. the biggest addition to the debt itself is the interest rates. i don't think this is a day for americans to feel sorry for themselves. they should feel ashamed of themselves for the decadence. we used to borrow money for the future. built money for the future. we built highways, dams for the future. now we are borrowing from the future from the unconsenting because unborn future generations in order to fund our own current consumption of goods and services. the american people are paying a lot of taxes but they are not paying nearly enough taxes to fund their