she waived her fifth amendment rights. she was in contempt. she had a duly issued subpoena. they should pursue that. but the courts are probably going to be the remedy. >> so according to what you were discussing today when you came to this final decision, this is one of the quotes, the most troubling new evidence or documents showing that ms. lerner corresponded with liberal finance groups. what did you get from that? what did she do allegedly? >> pretty clear that she was hoping to get a job. keep in mind, she's at the irs. she's in charge of reviewing all these cases and yet we find some e-mail traffic that shows that she was actually actively hoping that she would actually be employed by these very people. so there's so much material here, gretchen, that the propensity of the evidence, the preponderance, there's so much