administration trenches on religious liberty, they need to have a compelling argument and impose the least restrictive methods for it. the justice department in oral arguments really didn't have a good reason why we can't create a free federal birth control program to cover hobby lobby employees rather than implicating the owners in what they consider to be grave moral wrongdoing. >> dan, go ahead. >> the supporters of obamacare have argued if you allow these religious exemptions and go down this road, it allows people to propose absurd religious beliefs to get out of government laws. >> providing vaccinations. >> i think justice roberts put his finger on this in a similar case in 2006 called gonzalez in which roberts said what congress wants the court to do is strike what he called, quote, a sensible balance. imagine congress asking the courts to be sensible about these issues. and i think that's what's going to happen in the hobby lobby