providing for families. >> at this stage i don't the prime minister is very, very fixed on assisting malaysia, a very good friend of australia in dealing with the families of the crew and passengers on board this aircraft. we'll do what we can within reason. >> families are not convinced. i'm going to hand over to vice chief of defense who, as you can see with the royal australian air force he's going to tell but some of those oochl if i can put analogy of what we've got out there at the moment we're not searching for a needle in the hay stack. we're trying to define where the hay stack is. you are seeing a multi national effort going on. it's difficult to, in these weather conditions, be able to find small bits of debris that is washing around in the southern indian ocean at the