including jane height mcmurray, the author of "navigating the lipstickviga jungle." but the author of "war on men" says sandberg sends the wrong message. what do you mean? >> most women do not choose to be as ambitious as a sheryl sandberg type person. people who work -- >> most women? >> correct. most women do not wish to do that. most women who have children --n we're not talking about women without children because that's different demographic. but most women with children choose to work part-time, if they work at all, specifically so that they can be there for their families and children and make that sort of the nucleus of their lives and fit work around that. i say, what's wrong with that? >> what's wrong with that? >> well, the truth of the matte> is, in the real world, women have to work. most people have to work.