we did video recreations of the flight. in that case they would take the nose up, try to throw them to the back, and try to throw them off balance and rock it back and force. that is the only thing that struck me like terrorism. everything else is basically six or seven pings. and pings don't tell me terrorists. pings say something is wrong if that is all you have. but there is like i said -- >> what about the transponder being turned off? that is something the pilot can do manually? >> no, we don't know if the transponder was turned off. we know we got no more signals from the transponder. the only way we know if it was turned off, some interruptions from communications, is from some sort of communications from the cockpit. >> well, mary, you know the safety of the 777 it is a great airplane, and you know the level of redundancy on the airplanes,
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