raise the minimum wage, i think, boy, i know some economists disagree, but i worry about what that does to job creation, potentially dampening demand in the part of the labor spectrum i'm most worried about. >> this impetus to raise minimum wage is one of the most misguided things we can do. you will hurt the poor. >> you can have a minimum wage of $15 and it didn't hurt anything else, i would love it, but clearly, that isn't the case. >> you have something to say? >> i was going to say gates, bloomberg, buffett, what do they know about starting a business? noclike president obama. geez. >> don't believe anything they say. >> come on. >> they should listen to him. >> go to harvard. >> this is a debate shaping up to be something president obama will push through this year. it was in the state of the union and he's been talking about it on the campaign trail. eric, how much does it undermine those campaign efforts to have