burst withs every 30 minutes or so. they also talk about the fuel flow and the fuel pressure. that is transmitted to the ground, and apparently -- according according to "the wall street journal" -- that was done for another four hours after the plane disappeared from transponder view. we're going to put the world map up or the map of that part of the pacific and the indian ocean in just a second to show you the specks of that -- the specifics of that and the significance of it. joining us on the phone, a former new york homeland security director and a former special agent in charge of the new york office of the fbi. malaysia denies that report, but it comes from a couple of people with knowledge of the investigation, james. what do you make of it? >> what i make of it is we need to get a statement from rolls royce, you know? what do they know and when did they know it. jon: they're the folks who built the engines. >> and we need a statement from boeing company, did they have