the charter schools because i owe you, unions. teachers unions, especially, but bob, listen to what you said. if it's working, if the charter schools are outperforming the public schools. maybe we should look at it. guess what? they're outperforming -- they're outperforming the public schools. >> the only problem with charter schools is they're expanded to places where they have a good public school system. >> so then what? don't do it there because a charter school would outperform a public school even in the suburbs. >> they have private schools. >> that's not the issue. >> they have a floor of a charter school and the next school is public school. they're co-located and they get the money from wall street. why wouldn't we want wall street money? >> i'm going to go to a sound bite and get greg's take. 50,000 students are on a waiting list to go to charter schools in new york city because as the