almost like on autopilot. that is what we have here. bill: but the politicians don't touch this stuff because it is outside control of the budget. if you had a vote you could not do anything bit. >> i agree. politicians never touched fannie and freddie until it blew up and costs us a lot of money. that is where we're going. sound great, fannie and freddie, affordable homes for everybody. this sound good too, medical care for elderly and sick and people that can't afford it. the row to serfdom always begins with good intentions. when government is this much enmeshed in a program like this it always leads to disaster. bill: a couple things he fears coburn says, obamacare is next one to join the club of medicaid as we just pointed out. medicare, 16,750%. defense health programs, 1300%. veterans medical care, 4500%. all this now -- listen -- bill: got to pay for it, charlie. >> every time the government is involved in these programs they