and again and again and have a base to ultimately get bin laden. >> i don't remember that at all. i was here for the bush years. i remember our job was to liberate afghan women to go to school. >> well, the country becomes developed enough to fight against these people. it's not working right now because there's bad leadership. i think -- i think power could be used there. we only have 38,000 troops left, all right. that will go down to 10,000 before the president is out of office. but right now i think he's got to show some power. i'd arrest them. i'd arrest karzai. i would arrest him. >> you know what, by showing american power in the first place, we have revealed our weakness. the most powerful country nld world can't subdue -- >> it didn't work out in iraq, it's not working out in afghanistan. maybe we get a surge, arrest karzai, we put in a puppet who will at least do the right thing here. i think we have to do it. gentlemen, thanks very much. next how liberal is hillary