social welfare groups and target them is putting into a rule the rule we found out about months ago. they don't do anything about unions, chambers of congress, they don't do anything about charitable groups. they go after these groups. that's just wrong. we need. >> the irs will go forward, the conservatives won't be able to do that, the unions can have at it, that's no problem whatsoever? >> unions can go forward, they can do all their get out the vote, voter registration, these groups that have been targeted already, this adds insult to injury. now they're going to put them out of business. >> let me ask you this, they say, the only reason we're doing this is because we're so confused, that's the only reason we targeted conservatives in the