>> either get it or you don't. or you may not get it right away, may not come up in your bloodstream for years and years that's the biggest problem. >> the thing about which the patients would be complaining is this, you're supposed to -- a two-step sterilization process, right? so they didn't do the second part of the -- they didn't do the second step. >> right. and they are supposed to take it very serious lakers poe tension with this type of disease there's extra precaution, extraordinary sterilization process and possibly get rid of those tools. those instruments should never be used again. that is a serious disorder that is the problem. is this negligence? is this medical negligence or possibly malpractice? that's the question. you know what at this point there's too many questions we have to answer before we can say people should be running to sue the hospital and/or the doctors. >> but it -- the question is not whether you actually get the disorder, right? the question whether the hospital acted in a way -- >> rightsome liable. were they negligent? did they have a standard of care? did they breach that standard of care and what are the damages? that is the legal question. the possibility, yes. the everlasting effect we won't