>> they don't have to -- only the large institutions, by the way, they said they don't have to pay for it. the insurer is said we'll provide it for free. >> lanny, you're the attorney, help your liberal friend out here, excuse me, a catholic church, hospital, charities ought not go against their deeply held religious beliefs and be mandated by the government to provide it. >> can i make a comment here? i much prefer having this very vigorous debate on a very serious topic, i agree with james. you have a right to your point of view, i respect it, sean, it is much better to debate this than why hillary clinton went shopping or if she is running for president. this hyped up show, about diane blair is not being hyped up on your show. freedom of religion is much better. >> one of the things i have learned and james have told you we've gone out on the road and