that particular development the cbo identified or projected. if you take all of that into account, it reinforces what the cbo report says, which is aca is benefiting our economy. it's providing access to health insurance to millions of people who didn't have it and is giving families across the country and individuals across the country the freedom and choice and opportunity that they lacked before it passed. i don't feel strongly about this at all. >> following up briefly on that, i want to talk about budget deficits. the next couple of years they are going to drop $514 billion was the estimation for 2014, $470 billion for 2014, more ominous after -- >> we've been listening to jay carney take a lot of questions on that cbo report. highly controversial. in a nutshell he called it inaccurate. stay tune from that. in the meantime new audiotapes