not helpful. and what we need to do is change the mined set that we measure progress against al-qaeda and how we measure that is complex. one of al-qaeda's objectives to achieve various areas where people have sharia and islamic and they are doing that in syria and iraq and north africa. >> so they are a big threat as well. >> they are a worse threat. >> i think the buzzword is containment. i think we are kidding ourselves if we think that military activity alone defeat. and i say that losly al-qaeda. we can't. the first bon is ungoverned spaces. we know that al-qaeda thrive in ungoverned space and it is a double edge sword how difficult it is to make an