>> yes. the whole boston community won't know what is coming at them. and why not -- >> i think he's a smart guy and argues that we're raising the minimum wage is a good idea. and -- his argument was that those who get that minimum wage increase will then spend the money and goose the economy. i heard the same argument given for unemployment benefits. it gets a little warped. >> comes from someplace else. so they may spend more but somebody else has less to spend because the employer has to pay it so their costs go up. so what do they do to offset costs? they reduce employment and reduce overhead so it's a vicious cycle, and the logic doesn't hold. if you go back in history and study the impact, never has the benefit people claim it will. >> so when you were at heinz,