that would kidnap a child. jon: you worked on the elizabeth smart case, the teenager who was miraculously found alive after she was kidnapped in this country. what do you say about the prospects that little madeleine mccann is still alive seven years later? >> absolutely the parents will never give up hope, nor should they. and i think in a case like this because the child is very young, we all will hold out hope that they may have felt she's not a threat, they may have felt that she would not remember what happened to her. so if she was not killed right away, then the idea that she could be out there living with somebody else or kept with somebody else is not impossible. and as you say, we have other cases where the child has been returned after years. so it makes sense that we should hold out hope here, continue with the investigation but always hold out hope. jon: just astounding to me that they are making progress apparently in this case after all this time.