>> it's a war. the thing is, sean, let's talk about the answers to this. the answers you got answers. >> the government declared war on poverty and poverty won. you know -- >> poverty won? >> you mean, poor people won? >> government helping people in the end helped them more than hurt them? >> how so? >> people who are getting help are lazy? >> because the people who are -- >> did i say that? >> no, because -- >> that's your argument. i put on my website today, we're dealing with this later in the program, conservative solutions. we have more natural gas, more energy, more shale oil than the middle east combined and yet we're too stupid to tap into that. those are job creations, let me put up on the screen some things -- >> talk about the middle class. >> those are -- >> they need to create the jobs, you want to talk about tax cuts so they can do that, fine. what about the man that watches -- >> the working man that now --