disasters such as hurricane sandy. but there's a rising threat from something called electronic pulse. a 2009 "wall street journal" article said several countries have already penetrated the energy grid and china and russia have left behind software designed to disrupt it. >> yes. and that article in "the wall street journal" made it very clear that it's already been penetrated. so, kurt, what do you see happening if the lights went out? >> obviously there is much to do to try to make certain that the bulk power system is protected. they are doing that right now. the federal regulatory energy commission working with the north american electric liability cooperation has put together reliability standards, critical infrastructure procedures that will make us safe and keep us safe regarding electronic transmissions, coordination, personnel training and things like that. there is a good baseline there