>> the cupboard is bare? >> we get this debate of what should we cut and detracts from the larger picture. that's not what's dragging us down. it's ten titlement spending and research we conducted is wide appeal for entitlement spending and restraint. spend the same as last year and if they thought about it in those terms they would have a policy and political win. >> inflation goes up, not raising the social security payment? >> well, i think there is going to be some realistic -- >> old people scream. >> but i think people want to see that the entitlements have means testing and people investing more in 401(k)s and elsewhere, we don't need that reliance on the -- heavily run government entitlement programs. >> this is social security not a retirement plan. it is a rip-off taking money from relatively young, poor people. >> what do you mean it's a rip-off? i paid into that system all my