unless there can be -- i don't know, more respectful talk from both sides. >> i think you are 100% correct. part of the problem that evangelicals have had is they have gone ahead and gotten bogged down on the homosexuality issue. homosexuality is a sin with those christians. they have been talking about the sin in that person's life rather that happen in other people's life. when you talk about sin in general and jesus christ came down to earth to save people from that sin that's a larger discussion. >> i was trying to ask do you think the reason they don't mobilize on this issue is because even though they recognize what the bible says, most people know a gay or lesbian person, they don't want to interfere with their ability to live their life the way they choose. >> that's part of it.