world without end, i'm quoting the case, these are not my words, is in absolute violation of the fourth amendment. >> are you going to deny the government the ability to track potential terrorists and their phone records? >> i sat on the bench in our home state for many years and signed hundreds of thousands of search warrants and if the police came to me and said we want a search warrant for everybody in this zip code because we are looking for one bad guy, i wouldn't have signed it. >> hold on. there are search warrants and this is tracking of phone numbers and phone calls, not to listen into them. >> but the tracking of the calls and the judge articulates in the opinion, results in the preservation of the conversation to which the nsa has access forever, as lock as they -- as long as they keep the records. are you going to be kept safe but the cooperate question are you going to be kept free?