people should look at it and reremind themselves what the holiday is truly supposed to be celebrating. martha: well, there's that option. that wasn't the first thing that popped into my mind, but it's an interesting take on it. lars, what do you think? >> well, merry christmas, martha. the fact is the reason for the season is to celebrate the birth of jesus christ. and the fact is, we are celebrating. and some of that celebration is gift giving which is, which goes right back to the original birth story. the father knows that better than leslie and me put together. what i've never understood is the antipathy of atheists. and as you said, it's only the vocal ones. but the vocal ones seem to hate the idea that we believe. the fact that they don't believe they're entitled to, but i don't -- i dislike and i resent the fact that they want to try to reject our belief. i don't think the atheists have the right to tell us what to think. martha: one thing we know the season is not about is nastiness. so i don't understand, you know, why -- there's just such a nasty nature to it. >> martha, to be fair and