between europe and the united states to get what they really wanted out of these talks, which was relief from the economic sanctions. so that's one reason why it was never reasonable to expect that anything was going to come out of this. iran, on the one hand, the west on the other hand have completely different objectives, they're 180 degrees apart. and negotiations aren't going to bridge differences like that. martha: it's interesting, you know, one sort of subtext here is that perhaps the iranian leadership is trying to influence the american people with all of these sort of pr moves, just sort of kind of so much the water -- soften the waters a little bit to lower the aggressiveness of the united states against their country and, meanwhile, they will continue to, you know, enrich uranium and get as close as they can to nuclear power and nuclear weapons, perhaps. >> yeah, sure. that's exactly what the diplomatic and pr charm offensive has been about. and they've succeeded with the