have insurance or not. oh, that's going to be fun. now they are going to have to sit on the line hours on end with the insurance companies. >> here is my question. if sebelius knew this was going to be a disaster and i believe that president obama knew too. how do they think they were going to get away with it. >> i don't think she knew it was going to be a disaster. i think she knew it was going to be a situation where people were forced off the plans they liked because she believed it was what was best for them. >> iment with a, so you think that sebelius didn't think that people were going to react adversely to that? >> i think she has a liberal mind set. a far left mind set of i know what is better for them. and they are on crappy plans. if they could only see the wonderful plan. >> they do get plan. >> that is where the plan fell apart from her vantage point. >> final question, i have taken the tact, you do the microi do the macro. i don't know if you do -- if you noticed that or not. >> think that's fair to say. my theory is if the doctors bale en masse from this program next yearn 2014. if that happens, it's over. it is over and the