if it doesn't work here, this is its signature deal. but this doctor, he can, to be fair to him, he didn't have anything to do with the rollout of the computer or anything like that. >> he didn't -- >> he's a big picture let's give health care to everybody guy. that's what he is. >> that's right. and can i tell you that he did say in the interview he does believe they should have appointed a ceo to oversee health care and they didn't do it. and not only -- >> yes, they did. kathleen sebelius. >> she's not the ceo. >> sure she is. >> it's basically the medicare people who are running this. got the title and that's it. they didn't have an executive bill. from the president on down they didn't have a ceo of a major piece of legislation that was remaking 1/6 of the u.s. economy. and let me just tell you, a guy named david cutler who was a co-architect of obama care, told them. he wrote them a written letter in may of 2010 saying you don't have the team in place to execute this, it's going to fail. >> you know how the government works, correct? the government works by departments. everything in the bureaucracy is headed by a department. all right? so the treasury department handles this. the justice department handles that.