the way it is supposed to be characterized. >> you're saying it is a race hate crime and religion -- >> it is black on white crime, that is racism. >> i agree with bill completely. i am embarrassed to say i was not familiar with knockout gang as a term. obviously, we remember the gang initiations we talked about. stupid crimes. these are groups of primarily african-american young men, who were targeting people based on the color of their skin, females, jewish people as it was reported in new york. and the point of the gang is to knock somebody down with one punch. people have been killed. they will be prosecuted for it. >> they have given it their best shot. you say how do they target jews? there are a lot of jewish people in new york. >> but females, white males, being attacked by black gangs,