>> i think we are doing serious damage for it and -- say medical devices, you know. i was the beneficiary as i went to heart disease with stents and fibrillators and pump the fist of my heart. the obama care package includes legislation, taxing those devices. the people who come up with those ideas and so forth, they pay regular income tax and corporate tax, if they are involved in that. why would we want to establish a tax that's likely to produce less than one of the most valuable capabilities we have? >> i guess -- >> makes no sense at all. i think that's -- that will cost -- if we haven't invented stents, for example, in the last few years, imagine how many lives have been saved because of stents? george w. bush just had a accident put in the other day. we can do with stents what we used to have to do with open-heart coronary bypass surgery. so it is -- i think it is -- if