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knows something about obama care from being from massachusetts. any other reasons? >> maybe because he's built businesses, corporations that hire tens of thousands of americans. but, you know, nancy passed the bill away from the fog of washington. pelosi doesn't take into account what's really going on around the country. she's going to go out and simply make the talking point. this is what the president wants her to do. this is what she's doing. so frankly just dismiss her. let's go back to what is happening just like the interview you just had. the interview you had was one on the numbers. when they talked about 5% of the population over 15 million people. if they are not served by obama care like promised, that's like 15 million people not served. >> let's go back to what romney said. was it too strong for him to say it's rotten, the rest of the three years of president obama? >> remains to be seen. i would say he's not been right

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