at best, this should be a local thing that government should fight. they can do a much better job. i say they do an even better job in the private sector through charity. the problem with the fraud is precisely because the federal government is involved. if you want to get rid of it, abolish the program. >> morgan, what about cutting out the federal side of this entirely, just focusing on private charities and local governments? >> i don't think that we should cut out the federal government entirely but it's not just the federal government contributing to this larger issue on snap spending. it's also the states that have loosened their guidelines for people who can qualify even more so than the federal government. part of the reason is because they get federal government incentives to do that. i think that's a big point to make as well. we need to see the regulations or reforms happen on both of those government levels. the other point i would make is we talk about people not being able to afford food for thanksgiving. the other issue is that the larger, the other government subsidies that are tied to the farm bill are part of the reason that food is as expensive as it