also saying, you know, we felt that our systems were ready to go but when asked, did you ever say that, that there might be issues, that you should delay, she just said, that wasn't our decision. cms made the decision to gone on october 1. we merely presented them with where we were at at that point. >> that's right. sort of, i believe the technical term, this is a lash-up. you have a situation where you're trying to tie together you all these things and all these pieces. the secretary said herself, secretary sebelius said herself they wanted two more years, they wanted to have five years instead of three years to get this website off the ground. and when you see how they were doing it, which is with all of these contractors tied together, and you have all of this fingerpointing, that people, well, it wasn't me, it was him, and other guy and went the other direction, you see how it could very logically end in such a disaster as this. bill: we'll drop back here in a