this partnership was all about. was vice president cheney influential in the beginning, he yes, he was. was he a puppet master no he wasn't. that's a caricature. he was important. the president relied on him. he was a seasoned veteran. he understood how power and washington worked. as things moved along by the second term president bush began moving away and began looking at things differently. he wanted to repair relations with the allies and rethink some the policies on the middle east and so forth. and vice president khan saw that as, you know, moving away from the principles that they had shared in the first term and they began fighting about a lot of issues. and by the time they left office, when they ended up sort of having this confrontation over the scooter libby pardon. >> now i know that they met at the library and you write about that in your book. now, is there any indication that they talk to each other very much. >> i think they have a very proper relationship. an appropriate relationship. they don't talk very often. they are not personal friends? >> what happened? why the change? the president bush evolve and change and vice