information. >> no reason. they were doing it because they were trying to come up with their defense, bill, to the hhs cases and they wanted to know if these organizations were quote, really religious organizations or not because of possible exemption issues and first amendment free exercise of religion issues. that is why that information was given to the white house. bill: that clears some of that up. how big of a deal is this, eric? >> i think this is a pretty substantial deal. bill, there is an additional part of the picture here. remember there have been several conservative groups including the national organization of marriage, i believe the texas public policy foundation and several others have their information from the obama administration's irs leaked to third-party left-wing groups seen donors come under harrassment. irs is looking into tea party groups and auditing donors of this information. this is a bigger issue of harrassment from the irs. they're not just giving this information to the white house. they're have been several well-documented instances where they're giving it to third party groups opposed to the political activities of these groups and