then they want to point at republicans. >>elisabeth: why the delay? are you saying their intentions are bad or inadequate leadership? >> i'm saying they want veterans and families to feel the pain. >>steve: they? the white house? >> the white house. it turns the temperature up on the shutdown which i believe they think benefits them in the long term. they don't hate military families. but i think they know where to turn the screws. they know where to turn the temperature up. i think it will backfire on them. they want to turn it up so people go we can't have this government shut down anymore. we've got to find a solution. the white house is hoping it will be on their terms. >>brian: republicans are known to have the mostathy. that goes to the sequester. i know the republicans aren't going through with the sequester because it means massive cuts for the military and republicans love the military. but we've gone through. >> this is on top of what