paying this, are you sure? >> yes, on the death which is a horrible name, but you cannot get around the fact that they need to get to dover to see their loved ones coming back. the president said he didn't know about this and they're rectifying this. i really don't think it was a deliberate act. >> charles. >> i think there are two reasons here. one is was it a political act? i tend to think that some of these interpretations, clearly, people seem to be always erring on the side of being rough and tough and irrational like the cordoning off of the world war ii memorial which is open-air and where it takes more park rangers to cordon it off than it would to accompany the ageing veterans on to the site. i think there's -- and we saw it in the sequestration. this isn't the first time. the administration is using anything it doesn't like as a way to punish the american