point, martha. we do not default at midnight on october the 17th. martha: that's right. >> we simply do not. you default when you stop paying interest on your debt. we've got a ton of money coming that will pay the interest on the debt. we do not default. simply because we go past that october 17th deadline. martha: i got to go, stuart, just very quickly. if we get an extension deal during which period we're supposed to kind of work this hard in terms of deficit reduction perhaps, what will the market think about that, do you think. >> probably very favorable. although it kicks the can down the road, it relieves the immediate problem, the market, i don't know for sure, but probably will go up. martha: all we do is kick the can down the road to the next time and next time and time after that. we'll see you later as well. bill: so some illegal immigrants were okay, but the world war ii veterans not okay. outrage after an immigration rally hit the national mall while american vets were shut out a week ago. we'll talk to a man, a filmmaker who was there to see it all.