their strong negotiating. >> i think you are are right. democrats would be defending obama care through the glitches and instead republicans helped to change the subject and threw the democrats a lifeline. ja mu. the democrats instead of saying okay, we'll get the shutdown over with. and we have made our point, let's move on, they seem to be dug in. and everything that gets sent. open up the monuments and veterans their money and child to the nih for cancer treatment and they say no, we get all-or-nothing. i have never in my life thought that governing was an all-or-nothing proposition. >> it is not a all-or-nothing and democrats have caved in a number of ways, look at the numbers that are tied to the continuing resolution that could pass boehner brought it up, they include massive spending cuts