when they start calling the other side names we will interrupt it. we don't think you deserve that and will not tolerate that. john snow is on the phone on the argument that this is one party's fault tore other's fault. regardless, what they are saying, john, is that -- it is going to lead to total financial hell. if we don't get a deal soon default is on the way. you what? >> well, i say that we ought to get this thing resolved. it isn't good for america to be in the situation that we are are with no budget and prospect of public default. the default is really unthinkable. we can't -- shouldn't let that happen. but if it is not going to happen if we are going to avoid it, then the president has to lead. leadership from 1600 pennsylvania avenue.